"I'll be sitting in this office by 2027," Sir Keir Starmer declared, noting that if our discussion proceeded smoothly, he might invite us into his official residence for a follow-up talk in 2026.
There is never any time off for leaders. In the hour before our chat started, Sir Keir had been speaking with Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky and trying to decipher precisely had happened in Venezuela, where his big ally, US President Donald Trump, had just attacked and captured its leader, Nicolás Maduro.
When our lengthy talk, which was far more extended than normal, had concluded, Maduro had been formally accused in New York.
But as the year starts, the Prime Minister appears to have had a degree of a refresh. Maybe even just a bit of relaxation with the family at Chequers, the prime minister's country retreat.
This seemed to have left him in a more positive mood than at the saggy end of 2025, a awful year politically for him.
But are he and his colleagues deluding themselves if they think his political fate are set to turn around?
The harsh truth for the prime minister is that many of his fellow MPs think he's ineffective at his job. Several of them would rather gamble and oust him sooner rather than later.
But Starmer was having none of it during our conversation on Saturday morning.
Repeatedly he stated he'd be "evaluated at the next election", arguing nobody would strip his electoral mandate from him – despite the fact that the optimal path of stopping Nigel Farage and Reform UK getting to No 10 may be for Labour to replace its leader.
"This is the fight of our generation and I plan to be at the forefront," he declared.
The problem for the prime minister is that he will be scrutinised far sooner than then – in a mega set of elections in May throughout the UK. He sought to argue, perhaps too much, that they are concerning who runs councils, and who runs the devolved administrations in Holyrood or Cardiff – and not about Westminster.
True – in part. But although he may not want to acknowledge it, No 10 will be judged by those elections too.
Despite this, Sir Keir suggesting that there were no situation under which he would walk away, should one of his MPs contested his leadership for the job, should those elections be disastrous for Labour.
He attempted to account for his low poll ratings by saying the public was reasonably impatient for things to improve. He tried to assure me, and the nation, that the coming months would be distinct.
The economy would recover despite rising unemployment, he claimed, when policies the government implemented during their initial choppy year began to show results.
His central argument is that this year the country will "turn the corner".
The PM may have communicated with more energy than I've seen from him for a while – more relaxed, perhaps, with more time to talk.
However, in spite of encountering calls from within his own party for a bolder approach, with much more political vision, more urgency, more speed and more urgency, his explanations were well-known ones.
When he finds himself in such significant political trouble, does he need a new narrative?
No government, and certainly not one that has been struggling in the polls for many months, gets everything its as planned.
The Prime Minister's problems are not just because governing is challenging, but because he and his team have faltered, even in the recent past.
The prime minister admitted that he regretted saying he was "happy" to see the return of the Egyptian-British activist Alaa Abd El Fattah to the UK after an backlash when past remarks he'd made in the past – such as calls for Zionists and police to be killed – resurfaced.
Starmer attributed it to "the process" for not catching what the activist had said before – a fancier way of saying it wasn't his responsibility.
And he is inviting obvious political perils as the year progresses. His alliance with the US president takes on a new jeopardy after Trump's strikes on Venezuela.
Based on years of interviewing Sir Keir Starmer, a ex- human rights lawyer who opposed the war in Iraq, over a long period, the idea he would be at ease with this kind of intervention seems far-fetched.
He asserted he was a "career-long champion of international law" but we "just do not have the entire story at the moment".
Some demanded criticise the action prior to we spoke. And the government is likely to face more pressure to give an clear view in Parliament in the next few days.
And there has long been growing tension in the Labour party to reverse or renegotiate some of the results of Brexit.
Sir Keir denies he's pursuing that, but his new firmer plan to align more closely with the EU's single market – the vast economic European market – will probably provoke protests that he is reneging on his pledge never to try to undo the results that stemmed from Brexit.
A commitment to integrate into more of the single market will delight many on his own side, but it is easy fodder for Reform and the Conservatives to
Elena Vance is a tech strategist with over a decade of experience in digital transformation and business analytics.